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Posted by Fiendish   USA  (851 posts)  [Biography] bio   Global Moderator
Date Mon 07 May 2012 11:25 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Andos said:

The two char is in my two world of the same mushclient process. So I guest that it's not caused by the network delay.
Ah, I see. I didn't realize that detail. I think it could still be a bug with the server sending differently to different players though. I'm not suggesting that this is true, just that still seems possible.

Andos said:

Sorry, I mean that mcclient does not compress or decompress in my case. Mcclient may collect the data from server and send to mushclient line by line. and it means mushclient may has bug when recieve parts of lines, right?

Yes, this is quite possible. I'm not really sure what happens with servers that send parts of lines.

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I hope that mushclient will be better and better. And it's a good chance to catch the bug.
I agree.
http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (18,801 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Mon 07 May 2012 06:47 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Can you try turning compression off?
- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Andos   (15 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Mon 07 May 2012 05:38 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Thank you for your reply.


Fiendish said:

What would you say if you sent a command and you saw the output immediately but someone else in the room did not see it for 30 seconds? You would say the other person is lagging or something, right? Or it could be a bug in the server or some other problem entirely. That is why I don't think you can automatically say that there is no network or server problem just because someone else saw your commands.

The two char is in my two world of the same mushclient process. So I guest that it's not caused by the network delay.
What I happened is that one char send command, but can't see the echo. Another char in the same room can see the echo. The two char are in the same muchclient process.

Fiendish said:

Now you say that mcclient does not do anything, just acts as passthrough, for this data. If it doesn't do anything, how can it make the problem go away?

Sorry, I mean that mcclient does not compress or decompress in my case. Mcclient may collect the data from server and send to mushclient line by line. and it means mushclient may has bug when recieve parts of lines, right?
It block the msg for a few munites, which is obviously out of the network delay time.

I hope that mushclient will be better and better. And it's a good chance to catch the bug.
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Posted by Fiendish   USA  (851 posts)  [Biography] bio   Global Moderator
Date Mon 07 May 2012 12:59 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]

Amended on Mon 07 May 2012 01:00 AM (UTC) by Fiendish

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Well...
Any time you send a command there are three data transfers.
1) From you to the server.
2) From the server back to you.
3) From the server to everyone else.

Since (2) and (3) are different activities in the server I don't see why one could not easily work even if the other is broken. Just as easily the situation could be reversed. What would you say if you sent a command and you saw the output immediately but someone else in the room did not see it for 30 seconds? You would say the other person is lagging or something, right? Or it could be a bug in the server or some other problem entirely. That is why I don't think you can automatically say that there is no network or server problem just because someone else saw your commands.

Now you say that mcclient does not do anything, just acts as passthrough, for this data. If it doesn't do anything, how can it make the problem go away?
http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/
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Posted by Andos   (15 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Mon 07 May 2012 12:35 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Fiendish said:

Then I don't think I can agree with your statement earlier
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Basically can eliminate network reason for the delay.

I don't think you can. It seems to me like you're describing a server that has delays sending messages sometimes and that circumstance only makes it look like mcclient works differently.

I guess I would try to use a program like WireShark to verify that the bits coming into mcclient are the same bits coming out of it and into MUSHclient. I see no reason why using it would alter MUSHclient's behavior if it's not doing anything.


I don't exactly know whether is server delayed. But I realized the fact is that the other char in the same room could see the response when the blocking char do some action such as say hi.The blocking char can't see response when he send a command such as hi, and in the same time, another char in the same room can see the action.
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Posted by Fiendish   USA  (851 posts)  [Biography] bio   Global Moderator
Date Sat 05 May 2012 01:17 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Then I don't think I can agree with your statement earlier
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Basically can eliminate network reason for the delay.

I don't think you can. It seems to me like you're describing a server that has delays sending messages sometimes and that circumstance only makes it look like mcclient works differently.

I guess I would try to use a program like WireShark to verify that the bits coming into mcclient are the same bits coming out of it and into MUSHclient. I see no reason why using it would alter MUSHclient's behavior if it's not doing anything.
http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/
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Posted by Andos   (15 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Fri 04 May 2012 06:02 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Fiendish said:

What's the point of using mcclient if there's no mccp?

It just dispatch the message when there's no mccp.
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Posted by Fiendish   USA  (851 posts)  [Biography] bio   Global Moderator
Date Fri 04 May 2012 03:48 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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What's the point of using mcclient if there's no mccp?
http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/
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Posted by Andos   (15 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Thu 03 May 2012 03:58 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Fiendish said:

Interesting. Are you saying that the problem happens if using MUSHclient's internal MCCP handling but does not happen if connecting through this other MCCP proxy program?


MUSHClient's internal MCCP is not active because my mud does not support the MCCP.
Mcclient works well even when the MCCP is not supported by the server.
BTW, it hasn't happened since using mcclient.
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Posted by Fiendish   USA  (851 posts)  [Biography] bio   Global Moderator
Date Wed 02 May 2012 11:43 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Interesting. Are you saying that the problem happens if using MUSHclient's internal MCCP handling but does not happen if connecting through this other MCCP proxy program?
http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/
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Posted by Andos   (15 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Wed 02 May 2012 12:37 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Fiendish said:

mcclient?


You may refer to http://www.sined.co.uk/sined/general/mccp.htm for detail
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Posted by Fiendish   USA  (851 posts)  [Biography] bio   Global Moderator
Date Wed 02 May 2012 12:22 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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mcclient?
http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/
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Posted by Andos   (15 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Wed 02 May 2012 05:46 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Fiendish said:

My understanding is that GB is not UTF8, so you should not have the UTF8 output box checked. I suspect that this is not your problem, though, as you would see nothing useful with this set incorrectly.

I am trying to connect now. I don't know if I'll be able to see anything but it's worth trying.


I haven't checked the UTF8 output box.
And it seems ok after I use the mcclient.
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Posted by Fiendish   USA  (851 posts)  [Biography] bio   Global Moderator
Date Wed 02 May 2012 04:44 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]

Amended on Wed 02 May 2012 04:46 AM (UTC) by Fiendish

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Andos said:

Nick Gammon said:

Are you using UTF-8?
Maybe some bad UTF8 sequences are causing lines not to be shown.

yes, I'm playing chinese mud which is gb code.
but the left char will display after a few minutes.

My understanding is that GB is not UTF8, so you should not have the UTF8 output box checked. I suspect that this is not your problem, though, as you would see nothing useful with this set incorrectly.

I am trying to connect now. I don't know if I'll be able to see anything but it's worth trying.
http://aardwolfclientpackage.googlecode.com/
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Posted by Andos   (15 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Wed 02 May 2012 03:15 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Nick Gammon said:

Are you using UTF-8?
Maybe some bad UTF8 sequences are causing lines not to be shown.

yes, I'm playing chinese mud which is gb code.
but the left char will display after a few minutes.


Fiendish said:

Gesslar and Andos, what muds do you connect to where you have this problem? I'd like to try connecting to them.

You may try dx.mudol.cn 7777 or 61.164.87.153 7777
:), welcome to tsrj..
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