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Posted by RojanQDel   (5 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Sun 12 Jan 2003 01:01 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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I am starting a MUD called Star Wars Destiny and need a full staff. (coders, pr, admins, builders, etc.) I am only a builder. I have a codebase and my application for hosting it is being reviewed by a host. I have many snippets to be added into the mud (coder) and after they are all in it will be awesome! E-mail me at RojanQDel@aol.com or AIM - RojanQDel or ICQ# 59987546, or just post here if you are interested.
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Posted by Boborak   USA  (228 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #1 on Sat 18 Jan 2003 06:24 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Don't be disappointed, but I believe you are going to have a hard time convincing anyone to join you. Builders are normally hard to come by as it is, yet you're even asking for a coder. *shrug* Try as you might, I don't think you'll get far.
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Posted by Meerclar   USA  (554 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #2 on Sat 18 Jan 2003 07:26 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Actually, the fact that it is a SW based mud will draw some just because theyre scifi junkies at heart. The rest will fall into place from there. Actually my biggest problem with working on this particular project is that I consider SMAUG a halfstep removed from hell for coders.

Guess I need to add "scifi junkie" to my sig sometime :)
Meerclar - Lord of Cats
Coder, Builder, and Tormenter of Mortals
Stormbringer: Rebirth
storm-bringer.org:4500
www.storm-bringer.org
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Posted by Polarus   Canada  (69 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #3 on Sat 18 Jan 2003 09:34 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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SW is a good category, but I have yet to play a Mu* that has captured the feeling of the books or films. Good luck with your mud.
-=Flitting from Project to Project=-
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Posted by RojanQDel   (5 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #4 on Sat 18 Jan 2003 01:03 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Well, it'll be one of the best muds out there once I get a coder to add my snippets, I'll try to keep it as close to the books and movies as possible, but I wish there were more coders... :-(
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Posted by Nick Cash   USA  (626 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #5 on Sun 19 Jan 2003 04:22 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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You sound almost like me when I started out making my MUD. I too started out as a builder for SWR when I made my MUD. I based it using Swr, and trust me play one swr based MUD and advertise. I got loads of builders, but I fired all of them for being corrupt and using their power for evil purposes. Anyways, Meerclar and Boborak are right. Building can be no problem depending on how many people play, but coders (and ones that acually try to do the job and not screw you over for no real reason) are really hard to come by. After my first incident with a coder I said I would not be hiring any more Immortals for my MUD ever again, and to this day I haven't. But the easiest way to resolve all of these problems are to learn to code. It takes a while, and can be frustrating, but once you get the hang of it its smooth sailing from there. Just take your codebase and unzip it to a directory you aren't going to use and screw around with it, change things. If it gets to screwed up, try and figure out what you did, or if its to much work, just unzip it again. Thats really how I learned. Anyways, good luck, if I catch a break from my MUD perhaps I'll come and try and help you some time.
~Nick Cash
http://www.nick-cash.com
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (18,772 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #6 on Sun 19 Jan 2003 05:17 AM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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I'm inclined to agree with that. Sure, it takes time to learn to code, but does it take as much time as you will eventually spend arguing with your coders? If you are unlucky you end up spending hours firing emails backwards and forwards clarifying points, resolving disputes, working out what was said and what was meant - those hours could be usefully spent learning C and doing your own coding. :)

Of course there are good coders out there, but if you don't know coding yourself you won't be sure when you find one, and also won't be able to fix problems if they half do the job and then leave.
- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by RojanQDel   (5 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #7 on Sun 19 Jan 2003 03:59 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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I agree with that too now... Where can I learn to code? Documentation?
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Posted by Meerclar   USA  (554 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #8 on Sun 19 Jan 2003 04:17 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Pay any better bookstore a visit (I recommend Barnes&Noble). Head over to their computer books section, grab the "C for Dummies" or another entry level C programming book and grab a seat somewhere for some extended reading. Repeat as necessary until you find a book that actually helps you enough to buy and take home to work with, or note the useful titles and see if someone has em on the web somewhere in ebook format.
Meerclar - Lord of Cats
Coder, Builder, and Tormenter of Mortals
Stormbringer: Rebirth
storm-bringer.org:4500
www.storm-bringer.org
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Posted by RojanQDel   (5 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #9 on Mon 20 Jan 2003 01:08 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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Any online documentations?
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (18,772 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #10 on Mon 20 Jan 2003 08:44 PM (UTC)  [ quote  ]
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A classic book, which is also thin which means it is nice and compact, is "The C Programming Language", by Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie. Published by Prentice-Hall.

It is pretty meaty, that is each page covers quite a bit. Maybe a beginners' book would be better but it is a good reference to have around.

As example code you might want to download and browse my "tiny mud server" and "tiny mud client" both of which are quite small (server: 880 lines, client: 286 lines). These give you the essence of coding MUDs without cluttering it up with heaps of stuff that isn't relevant to beginners.

Then maybe move on to a smaller "real" server. Also try doing lots of small examples (eg. from the book) using gcc as a nice easy-to-use compiler under Cygwin or Unix.
- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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