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| Posted by
| Crawly
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| Fri 14 Nov 2003 11:12 PM (UTC) |
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| Can someone help me with this. I have played several different muds the last few months but most of them feel very similar. I guess the ones I have tried so far are based on DIKu. Now, I realise there are lots of other codebases, MSUH, MUCK, Merc, PennMush and so on...
If anyone could explain the unique thing about the different codebases and the limits...
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| Posted by
| David Haley
USA (3,881 posts) Bio
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| Reply #1 on Sat 15 Nov 2003 06:00 AM (UTC) |
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| I think there is a first, basic difference between what is called a MUD and what is called a MUSH. The MUDs tend to be role-play combat oriented, some even totally hack and slash, whereas MUSHes are much more social-oriented, and do not try as hard (usually) to recreate a more realistic, fighting environment like MUDs have. In fact, MUSHes have little to no combat in them at all.
I know little about MUSHes beyond that. However, for MUDs, there are a few lines I know about... the most well-known, on this forum at least, is SMAUG, which is based on Merc which is based on Diku (or is it based on Diku based on Merc... hmm...) From that you have codebases like Dawn of Time, which is a heavily improved version of SMAUG, or my own codebase which isn't public at the moment which is looking less and less like SMAUG actually. In fact I'm rewriting much of the code from scratch because I feel that SMAUG is very icky and disorganized, not to mention inefficient and slow. For instance, I rewrote the network code and improved the speed by factors of 4 or more. Typing hlist gets you the list of help files in a split second whereas on the old network code it'd take you a good second or two.
Anyways, I've heard about things called CircleMUD and LpMUD. I know next to nothing about those except that they are less AD&D based. SMAUG is very much AD&D based. In fact, it even has the saving throws just like AD&D, and their armor system works the same. Well, actually, it doesn't, but when they roll to hit, they use THAC0, which makes an awful mess because they have to convert their armor system to the AD&D armor system of 10 to -20 (or whatever it is) to be able to use the THAC0 system... blergh.
So that's all I can help you with... I don't know a whole lot about other codebases. But maybe that's enough to get you started... :) |
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone
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| Posted by
| Samson
USA (683 posts) Bio
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| Reply #2 on Sat 15 Nov 2003 06:47 PM (UTC) |
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| | Not to be a nitpicker, but isn't Dawn of Time based on Rom, and not on Smaug? :P | | Top |
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| Posted by
| Meerclar
USA (733 posts) Bio
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| Reply #3 on Sat 15 Nov 2003 07:37 PM (UTC) |
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| | Aye, Dawn is indeed based from Rom rather than SMAUG, for which I am quite greatful as a coder. |
Meerclar - Lord of Cats
Coder, Builder, and Tormenter of Mortals
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| Posted by
| Samson
USA (683 posts) Bio
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| Reply #4 on Sun 16 Nov 2003 11:11 AM (UTC) |
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| Heh. I don't think it much matters really. Smaug and Rom both have their share of nasties in stock form. It's what you turn them into later on that counts.
And as far as Smaug, one is no longer restricted to just accepting the "official" stock form anymore since the FUSS packages came about. Got rid of the vast majority of problems the code has. For which I'm sure a number of coders are quite happy.
I've heard all of the arguments about how Smaug has too many features and is hard to work with, but I've also heard the opposite about Rom in that it doesn't have enough and is difficult to expand on because of it.
Just need to be sure of what you want before you start and not complain later if you didn't do your homework and ended up with something that didn't fit your needs. | | Top |
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| Posted by
| Uru
Canada (67 posts) Bio
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| Reply #5 on Fri 12 Mar 2004 03:49 PM (UTC) |
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| Am I missing out on a supperior/improved version of SMAUG server if I don't have that FUSS thing? Does FUSS have fixes or something?
I'd really like to know what it's for. |
"What does not kill us makes us stronger." | | Top |
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| Posted by
| Greven
Canada (835 posts) Bio
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| Reply #6 on Fri 12 Mar 2004 04:57 PM (UTC) |
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| Wow, heh, yes, FUSS is a better version of SMAUG. It has every reported bug fix, from large security issues to small small things. It also has a much needed ( and improved ) version of ANSI color code, since SMAUG's was so glitchy. On a stock comparison, this is the way to go.
However, there are also other SMAUG derivitives. SWR, AFKMUD, ummmm... I know there are others... heh, can't think of them. I'm sure someone else can fill in the rest. Hope that helps. |
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| Posted by
| Uru
Canada (67 posts) Bio
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| Reply #7 on Fri 12 Mar 2004 05:56 PM (UTC) |
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| Yes thanks. Now all I need is a ZIPped version to download.
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"What does not kill us makes us stronger." | | Top |
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| Posted by
| Samson
USA (683 posts) Bio
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| Reply #8 on Fri 12 Mar 2004 08:02 PM (UTC) |
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| On the subject of which Smaug derivs are about:
http://www.alsherok.net/smaug.txt
Unofficial list I compiled, which more than likely doesn't cover the obscure released versions. Also does not list unreleased code, for obvious reasons :) | | Top |
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| Posted by
| Nick Gammon
Australia (23,133 posts) Bio
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| Reply #9 on Sat 13 Mar 2004 02:07 AM (UTC) |
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| Posted by
| Uru
Canada (67 posts) Bio
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| Reply #10 on Sat 13 Mar 2004 12:16 PM (UTC) |
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| Ah, thank you.
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"What does not kill us makes us stronger." | | Top |
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| Posted by
| Mirror
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| Reply #11 on Tue 05 Jul 2005 10:53 AM (UTC) |
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| | I'd just like to point out that there is also codebases not mentioned here due to the large rom/diku/smaugh/merc presence here. The old fashioned dyrt family of codebases. Which generally falls in the "abermud" family. They are handled quite differently then the rom-based muds (yes I know, don't yell at me for the generalization ;)) in that they are much simpler and don't use races/classes, nor do they make you run 300 hundred levels to restart as a new class to do it again. They are more simple and easier to grasp code-wise, and mud/runner-wise. Codebases such as dyrt, pdirt, idirt, cdirt, and dirt, to name a few. Just thought I'd offer some info on something other then the extensive/intensive codebases, in case there is someone looking for something "easier" to learn coding on. | | Top |
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| Posted by
| Zharl2
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| Reply #12 on Mon 18 Jul 2005 03:34 PM (UTC) |
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| Ok, there are lots of codebases out there and types. Can someone help me find the right one.NGJkOWU4
This is what I have been searching for: C++/C or JAVA, UNIX (FreeBSD), SQL (preferably MySQL), and able to upgrade, later on, to a graphical client much like wyvern.
As far as the type, I am looking for somthing like Ultima-online--races, pk combat, commerce, and crafting.
I would like something flexible and basic that I could easily revamp to suit my needs. So far, I figure on a couple of faulse starts before I select the right codebase.
Thanks for any input.
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| Posted by
| Zeno
USA (2,871 posts) Bio
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| Reply #13 on Mon 18 Jul 2005 05:43 PM (UTC) |
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| | Personally I haven't come across much of what you want. Your best chance is to go to http://www.mudmagic.com/ and look through the downloads there. |
Zeno McDohl,
Owner of Bleached InuYasha Galaxy
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