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Posted by WillFa   USA  (525 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Wed 01 Sep 2010 06:32 AM (UTC)
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Would it be possible to have Luacom, luasocket, et al. in a separate directory than the lua directory, and Mushclient set package.cpath to be %LUA_CPATH%;<MCInstallDir>\Lua\clibs?

I already have Lua for Windows installed, and have most if not all of these dlls. I don't want to run into DLL hell because versioning issues.

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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (22,975 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #1 on Wed 01 Sep 2010 06:45 AM (UTC)
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Well I don't really want to fiddle with the Lua package.cpath if I can help it, because there could be other side-effects.

Where do you have yours installed? Will they necessarily clash?

In any case, you can set the package.cpath in your Lua sandbox, which is a once-off change to affect all your scripts.
- Nick Gammon

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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (22,975 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #2 on Wed 01 Sep 2010 06:51 AM (UTC)
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In any case I think we are already in DLL hell, frankly.

For one thing, some of the Lua libraries load against lua5.1.dll and others against lua51.dll. They have worked around that a bit, I believe, by releasing a "stub" DLL that redirects from one to the other (I forget which the "real" one is).

I found a while back that downloading some of the LuaBinaries files and trying to run them is indeed a special form of hell.

That is one of the reasons I am distributing my own copies, which are basically compiled from the original source, but at least linked against the "right" libraries to run with MUSHclient (eg. not against Cygwin).
- Nick Gammon

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Posted by WillFa   USA  (525 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #3 on Wed 01 Sep 2010 07:38 AM (UTC)

Amended on Wed 01 Sep 2010 07:40 AM (UTC) by WillFa

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I have LfW (Lua for Windows) installed to C:\Lua\5.1 . I manually set a system environment variable LUA_CPATH to C:\Lua\5.1\clibs\?.dll;

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Posted by Twisol   USA  (2,257 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #4 on Wed 01 Sep 2010 07:41 AM (UTC)
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I would have to agree with Nick here, the sandbox code is almost certainly the best place to set the cpath.
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Posted by WillFa   USA  (525 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #5 on Wed 01 Sep 2010 08:01 AM (UTC)
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Nick Gammon said:

In any case I think we are already in DLL hell, frankly.

For one thing, some of the Lua libraries load against lua5.1.dll and others against lua51.dll. They have worked around that a bit, I believe, by releasing a "stub" DLL that redirects from one to the other (I forget which the "real" one is).
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lua5.1.dll is the real one.
lua51.dll is the stub (since we're not at version 51 yet)
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (22,975 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #6 on Wed 01 Sep 2010 10:54 AM (UTC)
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Funny you should say that. I raised this issue in 2008 on the Lua mailing list and got told:

Mike Pall said:

The standard DLL name "lua51.dll" has been selected more than three years ago. Around twice every year someone comes along and thinks "Oh, we absolutely need a dot in the DLL version number".


and:

Thomas Lauer said:

As Mike wrote, the "standard naming convention", insofar as there is one, is to have the version number w/o dots or other embellishments.


Rightly or wrongly (personally I like the dot, since, as you say, it isn't Lua version 51), the issue hasn't really been resolved, and indeed people are prepared to argue both sides of the case.
- Nick Gammon

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